Lakenheath Old Boys

We are all former students at Lakenheath High School and other public schools in East Anglia. We were in school in the 70s and 80s and drank deeply from the well of British culture of those decades - the pints, the telly, and of course the footie!

Saturday, November 14, 2015

Saturday Night Debate Night!

Evening, folks - it's my last night in New Orleans. I've just had perhaps the best crawfish étouffée I've ever had in my life. I could easily be on Bourbon Street around the corner having too many Hurricanes, but instead I'm holed up in my hotel room to follow tonight's Democratic Party debate. That's how important this primary election season is to me. If you're watching tonight, I hope you'll drop by for a natter.

190 Comments:

Blogger The Blue Devil said...

The context of tonight's debate has been completely altered by the tragic events in Paris last night. CBS News has apparently decided to radically change the nature of the debate to focus on terrorism and national security. This is likely to play to the advantage of the hawkish Hillary Clinton, who is likely to rattle sabres at ISIS all night long. I'm just hoping that Bernie Sanders doesn't take the bait and that he can provide a cogent analysis of the failure of the War on Terror policy.

8:30 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Good evening. I'm joining you.

8:35 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Are we. Playing a drinking game?

8:36 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Evening, MUR - I'd love to join in with a drinking game but I don't have any alcohol up here in the room. Feel free to indulge though. It's great to have you on board tonight.

8:52 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Okay, we're away in tonight's debate. John Dickerson first asks for a moment of silence for the victims in Paris. Then the intros.

9:01 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Cheers mate. A night at the in-laws. I bought a six pack of Heinnes from the local convenience store.

9:02 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

A sad tragic event.. I'm interested to see how the candidates respond.

9:03 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Back to Drake and Josh University.

9:04 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Nice one, mate - enjoy those beers with the in-laws.

9:04 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

An LOB point of interest - the main moderator John Dickerson is one of West Ham Rising's friends.

9:04 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

John Dickerson says candidates can be attacked?

9:05 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

First chance for the candidates to respond to the Paris attacks. Bernie first saying the requisite things about fighting ISIS. I wish he cut against the War on Terror nonsense. Quickly on to the domestic issues. I think he'll get pressed on terrorism tonight.

9:06 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

The Been didn't really answer the question.

9:06 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Hillary Clinton next - more sabre rattling against ISIS. She leans on the Commander in Chief role. Predictable. Of course, as Sec of State, she was responsible for the policy that produced ISIS. I hope that she gets pushed on this.

9:07 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

I want to hear how IS will be stopped.

9:07 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

I don't Bern is confident on the foreign policy terrain. This could be a torrid night for him. A bit like a slow full-back facing Cristiano Ronaldo.

9:08 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

O'Malley needs to be more specific.

9:08 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Good - Dickerson pushes Clinton on her role in the Obama administration. She doesn't take the bait - just more bellicose rhetoric.

9:09 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Nice one Bob.

9:09 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

I agree. Dickerson needs to push her We do need a collaborative effort.

9:10 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Dickerson is doing an excellent job here - "how do we know if your future prescriptions are any good if you missed it in the past?"

9:10 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Bernie needs to leap in here with some kind of analysis of backlash against imperial policy.

9:11 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Hillary cannot use A sad as an excuse.

9:11 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Now it's O'Malley's turn. He says that he disagrees with Hillary but doesn't really explain how. Perhaps he thinks that the US should show more leadership? Not sure.

9:12 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Sorry. Asad

9:12 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Agreed, mate.

9:12 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Bernie makes an interesting linkage between climate change and terrorism. Good - here he goes digging into the War on Terror policy and the invasion of Iraq. He needs to do more of this.

9:13 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Bern is way off by blaming climate change for terrorism.

9:13 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

I do agree that we had no businesses invading Iraq.

9:14 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

This is good stuff - he's getting a chance to hit Hillary hard on the Iraq War vote. Direct link between Iraq and the mess in the Middle East now - great!

9:14 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Oh - good, Dickerson also asks Bernie if she has any disagreements with her role as Sec of State. Good - he's hitting on "Regime Change" now. This is going better than I could have hoped.

9:16 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

I agree with Sanders that regime change is not necessarily the solution.

9:17 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Now O'Malley is piling on Hillary. More good stuff. Hillary is getting pounded harder here than she has the entire campaign. It's like Trinidad and Tobago facing Germany.

9:17 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

I agree too - that's been his best line so far.

9:18 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Now Hillary Clinton is defending the role of Jordan - she is rotten.

9:19 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Correct Bern. The Muslim countries need to do their part as well as European countries.

9:19 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

She sounds like a Cold War hawk - she should be in the Republican primary campaign.

9:19 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Great - now Dickerson is digging into Hillary about Libya. More pounding - I'm loving it.

9:20 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Hillary looks rattled and Dickerson does well to push her on Libya. Hillary needs to realize that the elected government is ineffective

9:21 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Now Dickerson is wondering if the "world is too dangerous a place for a governor" to be President. A bit unfair. Governors have often been elected President.

9:21 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

I agree - I'll have to pass on my best through WHR.

9:22 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

O'Malley is clueless.

9:22 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

O'Malley is now demagoguing on the troops issue but he does hit Hillary again on not preparing for the day after Ghadaffi was toppled.

9:23 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Great - Bernie is jumping in here on the vets issue. Another area where he can score some points.

9:24 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

O' Malley personalizes it by mentioning his son. Still needs to mention his philosophy.

9:24 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Dickerson asks Clinton to comment on Marco Rubio's comment. She waffles and he calls her on it. Another embarrassing moment for her. She's really looking bad tonight.

9:25 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

The issue isn't who we're at war with, it's the metaphor of war itself. I hope that Bernie can jump in and explain that this isn't a war, it's about intel and policing.

9:25 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Agreed about Bern. Agreed that we did not prepare for post Gaddafi

9:25 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Hillary Duff can't do any worse.

9:26 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Now Sanders is making the argument that Islamic fundamentalism is a threat to the modern world.

9:27 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

LOL - at least Hillary Duff can sign a tune.

9:27 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

We need to somehow stop IS. A coalition is the best tactic.

9:27 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Great - Bernie wants major reform within the military. "The Cold War is over."

9:30 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

O'Malley is scoring some points on the issue of the refugee crisis. He's done some good for himself. Hillary is losing ground badly.

9:31 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

We can accommodate 65000 Refugees but only if we can help them be successful members of our society.

9:32 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Clinton now responding on the refugee crisis - she wants to close the borders. And on the defense budget - she wants to maintain it.

9:33 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Hillary is getting berned.

9:33 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

First break, then. Whew! That was really good for Sanders. Blow up ref!

9:33 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Hillary can be Trump's running mate.

9:34 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Next segment - Clinton is asked about how she will pay for her programs.

9:36 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

She should be, mate!

9:37 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Clinton says the right things about taxiing the wealthy and closing the loopholes on corporate taxes.

9:37 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

She's also on strong ground attacking Big Pharma.

9:38 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

A question for Hillary? Why didn't wages go up under your watch?

9:38 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Hillary wants to go after pharmacy companies. You had eight years

9:39 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

O'Malley gets a bit boring explaining his tax rate plan. But he's saying largely the right things.

9:40 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Indeed, MUR - what happened there!

9:40 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Well stated O'Malley. He helped raise salaries in MD and said Hillary is all talk.

9:40 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Sanders on his most solid ground talking about how money has flowed to the top 1%.

9:41 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Sanders is pushed on the specifics and he says that he's not quite the socialist that Eisenhower was. Good applause line.

9:42 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

O'Malley points out that the top rate was 70% under Reagan.

9:42 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Well stated Been. Its time for Walk Street to bail us out. Great dig at Ike.

9:42 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Now Clinton gets a chance to defend Obamacare. This should be solid ground for her. She's dumping on the GOP as well.

9:43 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Great stat by O'Malley.

9:43 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Agreed. She has a lot of explaining to do.

9:44 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Great - Sanders gets some more digs in about Big Pharma. He says that Obamacare was a step forward. But he wants to go forward. Big applause line there.

9:44 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Agreed with Bern about health Care. Naughty O'Malley.

9:45 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Second break - Sanders still doing well. He weathered the earlier foreign policy section well and is now on the solid domestic ground that is his forte.

9:45 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Hillary getting Berned.

9:46 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

We're back and we're on to immigration. O'Malley gets it first. He talks sense about focusing on a comprehensive plan and not just border security. Gets an easy attack in on Trump.

9:49 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

O'Malley favors the path to citizenship.

9:50 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Hillary Clinton's turn now - she's in favor of using an executive order to pass the Dream Act.

9:51 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Nice to state that immigrants need employment. How will it be implemented O'Malley?

9:51 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

I agree with a path to citizenship.

9:52 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Sanders doesn't get the immigration question. Just as well - it's not his strongest issue. He gets to have a go on the living wage issue - much better for him.

9:53 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Me too, mate.

9:53 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

O'Malley jumps in to talk about his record of passing a living wage bill in Maryland.

9:54 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Well staatd Bern. A full time employee should not live in poverty. Apllause from the audience.

9:54 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

If O'Malley can't get $15 an hour in his state then how can he deal with a divided Congress.

9:56 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Hillary takes on the issue. She wants a $12 minimum wage rather than a $15 minimum wage. Boo!

9:56 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

O'Malley jumps in to say that we shouldn't take advice from Wall Street. Hillary getting pounded. She's saved by a commercial break.

9:57 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

I disagree $12 an hour minimum wage, but at least its a start and a compromise.

9:57 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Oh boy. Wall Street.

10:01 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

We're back and the topic is Wall Street. Clinton is asked how she can reform Wall Street when she gets her funding from Wall Street. Good question!

10:01 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Hillary with trust me because I'll steal your money

10:02 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Bernie needs to whack her on this one big time.

10:02 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

What does he think of Hillary's answer - "Not good enough!" Yeah!

10:02 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Agreed. Excellent question.

10:02 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Agreed .Not good enough.

10:03 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Great stuff from Bernie about breaking up the banks and not having a Superpac.

10:03 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Well stated. Break them up.

10:04 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Very strong from Bernie. Very strong.

10:04 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Hillary is getting berned. She's getting rattled.

10:05 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Hillary is bristling now - Bernie has "impugned her integrity." She plays the gender card. And the 9/11 card. Yuck - she's disgusting.

10:05 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Hillary making excuses for helping Wall Street. Poor.

10:06 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Bernie is back talking about corrupt campaign financing. He shows this by example. Great stuff!

10:06 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

O'Malley gets his chance. He knocks Hillary as well, saying that he won't have the Wall Street team (e.g., Rubin, Summers) that Hillary would. Ouch!

10:07 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

O'Malley now attacking Hillary on her economic advisers.

10:07 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

O'Malley agrees with Bernie! He's feeling the Bern!

10:08 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

LOL! Weak tea. Well stated.

10:08 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Hillary hits back saying that O'Malley appointed an investment banker. Poor.

10:08 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Yeah - I loved the "weak tea" line. Nice one!

10:08 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Now Bernie is getting in there. "Play by the rules - who are we kidding!" Great stuff!

10:09 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Hillary breaking up the banks? She had eight years.

10:09 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Excellent from Bern.

10:09 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Now - gun control. Hillary is asked what the differences are now. She goes back to history rather than answering the question. I hope Dickerson will catch her on this.

10:10 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Hillary . what did your administration do about guns the past eight years?

10:11 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Ouch - Dickerson nails her on the Iraq War again!

10:11 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Bernie is jumping in there to point out there is no disagreement between the candidates on the issue. O'Malley wants in here.

10:12 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Agreed that background checks and eliminating loopholes are necessary.

10:12 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Ouch - Martin is talking about Hillary as "Annie Oakley." Nice!

10:13 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Ouch - Bernie is pointing out that Baltimore isn't that safe a city today. And he points out that his position can be a bridge building one. I agree. I think he could sit down with the students of mine who are hunters.

10:14 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

O'Malley claims he has regulated guns in MD. Nice by Bern to state that Baltimore is not safe.

10:14 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Nice - a tweet is coming in to point out Clinton asinine assertion about 9/11 explaining her Wall Street donations.

10:15 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

The hunters need to be educated

10:15 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Now Clinton is trying to rationale her position of deregulating Wall Street.

10:17 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Poor by Hillary stating that she relied on her economic advisers.

10:17 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Crummy capitalism. Nice dig by O'Malley.

10:18 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

I agree, mate - but I can't see any of them having a beer and a chat with either Clinton or O'Malley. With Sanders - maybe.

10:18 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

O'Malley might pick up a few points tonight. If the networks come out with Hillary as the victor again, we know that the fix is in.

10:19 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Back to Drake and Josh University.

10:22 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

We're back again - Sanders is asked how he can work with conservatives. He makes the pitch for left wing populism. Good solid stuff.

10:22 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Agreed. Winners don't get berned

10:23 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Great response from Bern.

10:24 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Now Bernie is pushed about Hillary's emails. Dangerous terrain for him. He says it's just "media stuff."

10:24 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Well stated by the Bern. Get off the emails and back to the issues.

10:25 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Now Hillary is forced to compliment Bernie. And she takes some easy shots at the Repubs.

10:26 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

What did Obama get done ,Miss Duff?

10:26 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

More shots at the GOP?

10:27 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Good question, mate - you should be one of the panelists.

10:27 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Now race relations.

10:28 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

That's easy terrain for Hillary. But it's problematic because the eventual President will have to deal with a Republican majority in at least one house. I trust Bernie to be able to work across the aisle with principles.

10:28 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

I'd love to be on the panel. Thanks mate.

10:28 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

O'Malley plays on his experience in Maryland. And he gets the Black Lives Matter line out.

10:29 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

O'Malley effective with police brutality? What about Baltimore? It's not in MD?

10:30 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Baltimore contracts that.

10:30 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Bernie has a chance to attack the school to prison pipeline. And to attack the broken criminal justice system. He might attack O'Malley on his Broken Windows policies in MD.

10:31 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Good - he's going after the War on Drugs now.

10:31 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Agreed. Too many people in jail. Agreed with Been about polici needing to be held accountable.

10:31 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Duff and stuff an activist? Please.

10:32 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Now It's Clinton on the Missouri case. She skirts over it quickly. She just doesn't sound convincing on any issue tonight.

10:32 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Hillary grasping at straws. She's not coming up with answers.

10:33 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Sanders gets a chance to talk about his free state college plan. Good solid stuff.

10:35 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

I agree - she's performing like this year's Chelski side tonight.

10:35 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Tuition needs to decrease. The wealthy should pay tuition.

10:36 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

O'Malley jumps in again to explain his policy of "Debt Free College" rather than "Free College." I like Sanders' plan better.

10:36 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Boom Boom. She's like an average Joe.

10:37 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Now Clinton jumps in to say that she disagrees with the idea of Free College. Bad one.

10:37 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Now we're on to medical care. Sanders is asked about single payer. He's the only one who supports it. He starts again with the issue of campaign finance.

10:38 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Let's hope that she has to walk the same plank as Jose.

10:38 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

I think that O'Malley s plan is more likely to pass through Congress. Private Colleges should change reduced tuition and the wealthy should pay.

10:38 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Clinton is now asked whether she still supports single payer. She doesn't - she's sticking with Obamacare.

10:39 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Sanders is wagging his finger at Clinton now.

10:40 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Ha har. There will be no mutiny except on Hillary's watch.

10:40 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Sanders shoots back well at Clinton about the flaws in Obamacare.

10:40 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

O'Malley gets cut off again just before a commercial break. Sanders still doing really well. Blow up ref!

10:41 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Medicare is not covering as much. I think people should have other options.

10:41 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Hopefully Bernie can corner flag it until 11 o'clock now. Take no chances, mate.

10:42 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

The final stretch plus stoppage.

10:45 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Uh oh - Hillary's talking about her time in the Situation Room.

10:45 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Crisis. Wasn't Monica as much a crisis as Bin laden?

10:46 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

O'Malley rejects the premise of the question. That's at least honest.

10:46 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

LOL! Indeed, mate. Indeed.

10:47 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

O'Malley says there's not a crisis at state or local level. How about Baltimore?

10:47 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Now Bernie's turn - corner flag it!

10:48 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

He's on safe ground talking about veterans' benefits so soon after Veteran's Day.

10:49 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Great answer by Bern about being chairman of the veterans committee. Great stating that the GOP didn't support vets

10:49 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Final statements now. Wahay!

10:49 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

O'Malley makes a pitch for his website and campaign.

10:49 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Three candidates of stoppage time.

10:50 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Next up - Clinton - she seems defensive. I don't think she had a lot of fun this evening.

10:51 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Blow up ref!

10:51 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Next up - Bernie - corner flag!

10:51 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Hillary the Roon of politics in stoppage time. She also pitches her website.

10:52 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Sanders leans again on the issues of income inequality and campaign finance reform.

10:52 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Nice finish and the biggest round of applause from the crowd. Well in, Bern!

10:52 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Bern also pitches the web site and talks about some issues.

10:53 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Major Garret sounds rather military.

10:56 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

How did the candidates fare?

10:58 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Good night. Have a safe trip back.

10:59 PM  

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