Lakenheath Old Boys

We are all former students at Lakenheath High School and other public schools in East Anglia. We were in school in the 70s and 80s and drank deeply from the well of British culture of those decades - the pints, the telly, and of course the footie!

Monday, September 30, 2019

Monday Night Football Live!

Are you ready for some football, chaps! Well, if you're watching this afternoon marquee match between United and Arsenal, tune in and log on here for a bit of a Monday afternoon natter. Cheers!

210 Comments:

Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Hello all. In most seasons this would be a top four affair. However, at least in this early period of the season, it's a competition between two sides battling for what has often been referred to as the Everton Cup - that is basic European qualification.

United have won one in five Premier League matches since the opening day. Emery's Arsenal side meanwhile are winning and losing in equal measure. It should be a fascinating affair tonight.

2:41 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

The line-ups for tonight's fixture:

Manchester United (4-2-3-1): De Gea; Tuanzebe, Lindelof, Maguire, Young; McTominay, Pogba; Andreas Pereira, Lingard, James; Rashford. Subs: Romero, Rojo, Williams, Fred, Mata, Matic, Greenwood.

Arsenal (4-3-3): Leno; Chambers, Sokratis, David Luiz, Kolasinac; Guendouzi, Xhaka, Torreira; Pepe, Aubameyang, Saka. Subs: Martinez, Maitland-Niles, Holding, Ceballos, Willock, Nelson, Martinelli

Referee: Kevin Friend

2:42 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

I snuck out of work early.... I am here

Dunno if I want to comment...fed up with my beloved

Teams in the tunnel... NBC going to commercial split screen
Poor form

2:55 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

They are back and the teams are still in the tunnel

Here they come

2:56 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Surprisingly, Rashford is back
When is Greenwood going to get a game
Started in the League Cup and the Europa League matches
Scored United's only goals

2:57 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

And another commercial break comes

2:58 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Obi Wan B not in because he's been ill

2:59 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Afternoon, UWS - glad that you were able to sneak out. I'm planning to do the same for tomorrow's clash with the Baggies. But I'm marooned at work today. Welcome!

2:59 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Last time Arsenal won at OT in the League....Ole replaced Rooney from the bench

2006


COME ON MAN U
COME ON MAN U
COME ON MAN U


Entertainme


We are off

3:00 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

I am driving my friend's son to Boston tomorrow so I won't be around for that game

FINGERS CROSSED

3:01 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

We're away at Old Trafford then.

3:01 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Pogba has already lost the ball in the midfield

3:02 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Cheers, mate. Btw the way, speaking of travel, what are you and Kathy doing on Thursday evening, October 17?

3:02 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

U N I T E D
United are the team for me
With a knick knack paddy whack
Give a dog a bone
Why don't Arsenal ef off home

3:03 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

I would think...nothing
Why?

3:03 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Corner for the Arsenal
Short one cleared

3:04 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Good Afternoon, Bob and Dave. Here to join you for United vs the Gunners

3:04 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Saw a stat today
Jose's last matches compared with Ole's first matches over the same span of matches


Identical

3:05 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

GET THE BALL IN THE BOX

3:05 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Welcome David

3:05 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Afternoon, MUR - how are you, mate?

3:05 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

I really like OGS but his record doesn't look too clever right now. And he can't complain that he hasn't had money to spend. United are just underperforming under him.

3:06 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

A win by United today would take them from 11th at least Sixth
A three goal win and they'd be be fifth

3:07 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

NO CHANCES created yet

3:07 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

doing well. Thanks, Bob and Dave. How are you two?

3:08 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Nice run in the box by James

He cross was cut out but the runners inside the box didn't get open!

3:08 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

A bit of a scrappy start to the match.

3:09 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Beautiful Manchester weather


Maguire wins the header... Rash can't control it!

That should have been BANG... GOAL

3:09 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Corner headed on by Maguire and Rash fails to control the pass when it was easier to score.

3:09 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Chambers fouls James
First yellow of the match

3:09 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Agreed about OGS, but people are saying it's an issue with the ownership. Will any manager get it right at United under the current ownership?

3:10 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Greenwood needs some playing time


Maguire wins another header... that is better

Offside call

3:10 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Arsenal playing it around the back

Ridiculous

United win it and then lose it

3:10 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Useless cross by Young

3:11 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

United's passing is atrocious

Don' they practice?

3:12 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Did you all hear what happened to our friend Gio Saints playing in the El Classio in Mexico for America vs Chivas?

3:12 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Agreed - Rash should have done better with that knock down from Maguire.

3:12 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Didn't hear that story, MUR - what happened?

3:13 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Sorry Meant to type Gio Two Saints.

3:13 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

He was fouled so badly that several layers of skin were removed from the boot . On ppar t of his leg you could only see fleshsee flesh. You can see it on YOu Tube, but only if you don't have a weak stomach? Shouldn't that be a lifetime ban by the player that fouled him?

3:15 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

If you go on Youtube type Briseno fouls Gio Dos Santos and you get several links. It was a sickening challenge.

3:16 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

United BORE me

I am disgusted with myself

3:19 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Lindy fouls Bakayo Saka on a Gunners break after Hair Bear 2.0 tackled McTomain.

3:20 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

It hasn't been a classic so far.

3:20 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

United let Arsenal cross the ball three times!

3:20 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Do you all think that should be a lifetime ban?

3:21 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Useless cross by Pogpants.... it was an elementary pass

He wants 300,000 a week!!

3:21 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

GEEZ... the passing!!!



A cross comes in... NO ONE IS THERE

3:22 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

What I don't understand is how OGS is an attack minded manager, but has United playing almost identical to the way they did when Jose was in charge

3:22 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Ouch - those injuries for Johnny Two Saints sounds horrific. I think I'll skip the YouTube clips.

3:23 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

If he plays really well does that become 3 million a week?

3:23 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Halfway through the first half and neither keeper has had to make a save. In fact, no one has had a shot yet. Not a one.

3:24 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

And why did I skip out of school early?

3:26 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

I don't blame you. They're not sure when or if he'll be able to ever play again

3:26 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

You'd have been better off monitoring detention hall, mate. This has been dire.

3:26 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Is i t because you're too cool for school?

3:26 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

The rain seems to have eased up a bit, so perhaps that will improve matters? I'm an eternal optimist.

3:27 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Rash not luck y to get a red for a foul on Socrates. The Toon hd a player sent off yesterday for a similar challenge. Just a booking

3:27 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Hopefully. Both teams playing horribly.

3:28 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Nice run by Peirra... finally a shot and a save

3:28 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Finally a shot on target. Nice solo run by Perreira and he forces a comfrtable save from JAy Leno

3:29 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Pepe had a chance...horrible shot

Long may that continue

3:30 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Shot from Pepe lands in the nosebleed section.

3:30 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

By the way, MUR, I don't know if you ever watch Jeopardy, but they're a bloke who's been on recently named Jason Zuffranieri who's won nearly half a million. The thing is that he's the spitting image of you. He's also a math teacher, but from Albuquerque, NM. You don't have a long-lost twin NM, do you?

Check out Jason here: https://www.jeopardy.com/jbuzz/tagged/jason-zuffranieri

3:31 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Shot from BAkayo Saka blocked then McTomain tackles for a Gunners corner

3:31 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Pepe is a bit hopeless, isn't he? Arsenal fans were really excited about him coming in but he's been rubbish so far.

3:32 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

That's incredible, Bob. I'm not aware of a long lost twin, but will check it out. Thanks for the link

3:32 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Free kick chance... Chipped in... Goes to the corner flag!


Keep that going Gunners

3:33 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Pepe down, not because he has McTomain poisoning, but because he was tripped.Hopeless free kick from Sideshow Bob and an atrocious cross from Chambers

3:33 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

How sad is that stat

Latest shot on target in any match

3:34 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Even I took better free kicks than that

3:34 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Horrific pass from Pogba. How exactly does he merit a raise?

3:35 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Decent cross from Aubama and a soft effort from Pepe is easily saved at the near post by De Gea.

3:36 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

A very sad stat indeed, Dave

3:36 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Are both of these sides on strike? I can't believe that two sets of professionals are playing this poorly.

3:37 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

McTomain trips Bakayo Saka on a 50-50 challenge. Our Friend the ref is consulting VAR, which is not our Friend. Nothing doing , but a United free kick

3:38 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

NOT BLOODY GOOD ENOUGH!


Go out and try and win games!
Go out and try to entertain the fans!

3:38 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

I think it's something they ate because it's as if they have McTomain poisoning.

3:38 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Agreed. That message goes for both teams

3:39 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

The tuna salad went off, MUR?

3:39 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

It must have . The performance stinks like the gases let off by both sets of players.

3:41 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Not a good cross by James!


The quality is stunningly bad

3:41 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Yash booked for a cynical foul on Hair Bear 2.0

3:41 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Rash with a chance... HOPELESS!!

3:42 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Didn't even get a shot off!!

3:42 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

COME ON. Rash put through and had just the keeper to beat, but tackled because he took an eternity to shoot.

3:42 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

So bad by Peirra...... USELESS!!!
Stopped the ball and then just kicked into the shins of the defender!

3:43 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

The Three of use should supervise detention hall where the 22 players on the pitch will be assigned.

3:43 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

De Gea has to make two saves


Phew

3:44 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Great double save by De Gea from Bakayo Saka and Hair Bear 2.0 that results in a Gunners corner

3:44 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Four bookings in the first half!

3:44 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

United break...


YES!!!!!!!!!

MCTOM WITH A CORKER!!

3:45 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

James' cross just missed Rash

Then McTom fires it to the upper 90!

3:45 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Daniel James leads a counter off a Gunners corner. The ball for Rash was too far, but he cahsed back and passed to McTomain and

GOAL !!MACTOMAIN SCORES WITH A ROCKET IN THE UPPER 90 FROM JUST OUTSIDE THE BOX

3:46 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

That was one out of the top drawer - McTom not suffering from any food poisoning this evening, that's for sure.

3:46 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

McTomain poisoning for the Gunners

3:47 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

This United have scored one and only one in every game apart from Chelsea and West Ham


United need to score more


Half time

Paper over cracks come to mind

3:47 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

United one up at the half thanks to some McTomain poisoning of the Gunners

3:48 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

But United will be relatively happy to troop in 1-0 up for a cuppa.

Speaking of which, I'm off home to have my tea.

3:50 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

United's goal came from a bad pass by Rashford
He was aiming for Lingard

3:52 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Xhaka looked like he ducked

3:53 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

United up to sixth but need a couple more goals to equal Spurs GD
I think Spurs have scored more tho

3:53 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Looks like the shot took a slight deflection

3:59 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

The last time the Gunners won a match at OT when they conceded a goal was 1977. History on United's side

3:59 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

I think it took a slight nick too.

4:02 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Off we go for the second half

I WANT MORE GOALS!

4:02 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

The second half is underway from OT!
COME ON MAN UNITED!

4:03 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

For United that is

COME ON MAN U
COME ON MAN U
COME ON MAN U

4:04 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Good run by Pogba... can't make a move to beat a guy

4:05 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

That goal was a case of McTomain poisoning the Gunners

4:05 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Corner for the Gunners... go short... ball finally in box and cleared

4:06 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

De Gea tries a Peter Schmeichel throw.... but finds a yellow shirt

4:07 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

I like your fact about United v Arsenal from 77
United havnen't lost a single game at OT after scoring first since 2014

4:08 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Chance for Arsenal... useless effort

Long may that continue

4:08 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Torreira should have tied it up for the Gunners. Nice cross from Aubama, but he miss controlled and it was easily gathered by De Gea

4:09 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

United cannot sit back!!


I want Greenwood on

4:09 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

What is Rash crossing for

GET IN THE BOX

James is the only one trying to run



United take a quick corner...United want a pen

Game goes on

4:10 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Thanks, Dave. I like your stat, too. That 2014 match was probably LVG's first in charge of United when they lost 1-2 to the Swans

4:10 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Tuanz with an atrocious pass

Again, how much passing and shooting do United practice


Was that a pen?

Where is VAR?

4:11 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

That definitely looked a hand ball in the box by Kolasinac. Now he concedes a free kick to United. Ceballos on for Torreira. An attacking move

4:12 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Arsenal have a free kick from the car park

Deflected for a corner

4:12 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Sorry. Free kick Gunners and a long range free kick from Sideshow Bob is deflected for a Gunners corner. It's taken short

4:12 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Arsenal only takes short corners

United break...cross just cut out before Rash gets it

4:13 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Rash didn't look like he was attacking the ball anyway

4:13 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Cross from Lindy headed out by Hair Bear 2.0 for a United corner off a long kick pass from De Gea

4:14 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Ball in the net... offside...phew


ALL FROM A PATHETIC PASS!!!

He is onside by a mile

Is it going to be reviewed

That will be a goal

ABSOLUTELY PATHEEITC!

4:15 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Both Schemichels watching and PHEW! Aubama with a goal disallowed for offside as United gifted them possession. VAR checking and it looked on
GOAL !!! IT'S 1-1 . UNITED GIFTED AUBAMA THE GOAL

4:16 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Of course, flag went up and players stopped


That is so bad

4:16 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Came from our corner

SO BAD WITH THE PASS

4:16 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

I'm just home in time to see Aubama stick one in. Everyone thought it was offside but after the VAR check he's found to be onside.

4:17 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

How did Arsenal take the lead!!


United are useless

4:17 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Now Arsenal's tails are up and Saka is denied by a desperate block.

4:17 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Correct decision but still hate VAR

4:18 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Wasabi with the pass that gifted the Gunners the goal and I guess you can get McTomain poisoning from Wasabi

4:18 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

That was a poor goal to give up from a throw.

4:18 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Did the ref blow the whistle


A complete debacle




United's passing is so bad AGAIN

4:19 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Arsenal fans are singing a song about VAR now. They're loving it!

4:19 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Pogba with a shot...wide

4:21 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Oh - Pogpants with a curler just wide. We've got a match now!

4:21 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

OH!!! Long range curler from Pogba just wide after a shot from James was blocked

4:21 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

I don't think that was a foul and he gets a yellow!

4:24 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Lindy booked for a foul on Sideshow Bob. That's really harsh

4:25 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Rashford ran by the ball and didn't even challenge just before it

4:25 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Daniel James wins a United corner

4:26 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

United get a corner....it wasn't

4:26 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

ooooh.... how did McTom miss that one!

4:26 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Oh - McTom should have scored the winner there - free header!

4:26 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

GEEZ!!!!!

4:26 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

What does OGS have against Greenwood in the PL


Rash.... a cross shot to no one there!

4:27 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Oh - now it's Rash with a cross shot. No one racing in on it.

4:27 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

That should have been a corner

4:27 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

OH! McTomain had a free header from the corner and heafs over.Should have been his and United's second

4:27 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Rubbish foul there by Xhaka Khan. Should have been booked.

4:28 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Free kick chance for United


Should have been a yellow if Lingard was

4:28 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Free kick to United

4:28 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Nice knock back from Maguire at the back stick - no one following in.

4:29 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Maguire gets to the ball at the back post....NO ONE ATTACKS THE CROSS

4:29 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Rash wins a United corner

4:29 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Rash gets the ball.... again...pass finds no one

United get a corner.. changes coming
Greenwood and Fred about to come on

Useless corner...of course

4:30 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Great effort by MAGUIRE!

4:30 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Jay Leno tips over a long range effort from MAguire

4:30 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Nice effort from Maguire!

4:30 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Who will come off?

4:30 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Keeper goes down

Foul called of course
Lindy and Peirra come off

4:31 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Mason Greenwood for Lindy and Fred for Perreira.

4:31 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Birthday Eve goal please Greeny

4:31 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Meanwhile, Reiss Nelson on for Pepe.

4:31 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Absolutely, Dave. That would be perfect for United

4:33 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Xhaka Khan says "I Feelt For You." Kevin Friend not pleased. Booking.

4:34 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Xakha Khan booked for an elbow on Mason Greenwood. He should have been sent off.

4:34 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

13 minutes to get something from this

4:34 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

I'm off to pick up Jacquelyn from class. Not sure if I'll be back before the match ends.

4:35 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

BOOM BOOM, BOB.

4:35 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Another corner...too deep

Comes to nothing

4:36 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Aubum has done nothing tonight... apart from scoring

4:37 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Geez

17 matches
15 goals United
17 goals Aubum

4:38 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Cheers, MUR!

4:39 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Can either side find a winner now?

4:40 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

United give the ball away again

4:41 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

I KNOW United won't

4:42 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Two atrocious corners by Arsenal

4:42 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

United can't control the ball


United have no creativity

4:44 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

No URGENCY either!

4:45 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

A bad free kick still breaks for United no one in the box

Maguire trying to be Maradona

4:45 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Young can't get it over
Another chance.... bloody useless

4:46 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Tasty looking free kick spot now. Sideshow with a stupid shot.

4:46 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Free kick...just on the edge of box

Def free kick

DO SOMETHING

4:47 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Stupid foul, that is.

4:47 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Rash to take.... he will get no where near

Hope I'm wrong

4:47 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

4 added minutes

COME ON

4:47 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Great save

Greenwood misses rebound

4:48 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

GO FORWARD!!

4:49 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Arsenal should have scored there

SO OPEN by United

4:49 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

GO FORWARD

4:49 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Greenwood with move... weak effort

4:50 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

Back for the final minutes

4:50 PM  
Blogger The Blue Devil said...

Shame that Greenwood couldn't latch onto that rebound.

4:50 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

That wasn't a foul!!



He did nothing!!

4:51 PM  
Blogger manunitedrules said...

I saw a replay of what looked a spectacular save by Jay Leno

4:51 PM  
Blogger United We Stand said...

Last chance saloon... Will Arsenal win it?


Hope the cross is as bad as the match

4:51 PM  

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